Two of the biggest letdowns in my "martial arts life" were 1) watching the "first world martial arts full contact championships" on television back in the seventies (featuring Joe Lewis, Bill Wallace, Jeff Smith, and Isuena Duenas versus a collection of international "stiffs"-September, 1974), and 2) seeing Benny "The Jet" Urquidez fighting some kung fu poseur from New York City in a World Series of Martial Arts competition here in the midwest. Both were really big letdowns because they were so dull, boring, and, overall, lacking in the type of "kickboxing" that I had grown to enjoy and love while in the major Bangkok arenas. I recall asking myself why I was wasting my time watching what amounted to little more than "sport" karate with cheap hand and foot padding on the participants.
Now, over three decades later, I am still having to put up with less than satisfying martial arts kickboxing "fights"(???) that are now called international kickboxing, mixed martial arts, and no-holds-barred competitions. Todays shows are not as boring as those two big martial arts letdowns mentioned above, but outside from having one or two outstanding fighters in the mix, it is still not that much more entertaining than the stuff I saw back in the seventies and eighties in so-called kickboxing and full-contact karate matches. A decent amateur golden Gloves, Olympic, or professional boxing match is more compelling and interesting. And if one is observing one is observing a Muay Thai match at Lumpini Stadium or Rajadamnern Stadium...ah, that is the top of the crop, baby.
It si strange indeed that the Dutch were the first to have the guts to jump into the fray and learn real kickboxing in Thailand, and develop at least a handful of fighters who could compete toe to toe with Thai champs in matches under full or slightly modified (no elbows) Muay Thai matches. The americans would have nothing to do with the Thais' in western rings unless the matches were under american kickboxing rules, and the Thai fighter were always required to put on more protective. padding than an entire NFL offensive line wears.
Check out the old Kietsongrit versus Rick Roufus debacle to see how much the fighters, the cornermen, the crowd, and the promoters despised even the addition of Thai kicks to the leg. It appeared that Mr. Roufus had never studied how to defend against, or counter, roundhouse kicks to the legs. Roufus got the butt whipping he deserved for not taking the time and effort to how his opponent fought. That is as stupid as a martial artist getting in the ring with a semi-pro boxer and assuming that his flashy martial arts blocks, traps, snappy backfists, reverse punches, and intricate martial arts footwork will allow him to cope with "real deal" hooks, uppercuts, and straight punches that will rock him from head to toe every time one lands.
You know, it is downright ludicrous that most martial arts trainees around the world still believe that fighting invisible opponents, spending 90% of training time doing "controlled" kicks and punches (i.e. "pulling" punches and kicks), and "avoidance" of actually getting in a ring to do some real banging on occasion with someone who will hit back, is the path to fighting and self-defense arts perfection. If you think I'm kidding just check out some of those absurd clips on YOUTUBE.COM that show, for example, Wing Chun versus Kickboxer dude, or Muay Thai versus Kung Fu. Preposterous! I am so incensed with the thought of that garbage right now that I am going to stop right here, and continue my thoughts on this subject tomorrow. I have to clear my brain right now.
Black Scorpion 47
Wednesday, September 27, 2006
Monday, September 18, 2006
Sting #4
A bit more on my previous comments re: Benny "The Jet" Urquidez; I watched Benny fight in a few sport karate matches in the early seventies, and I saw him fighting in four full-cantact matches. He was a straightahead, no nonsense, fighter who was entertaining to watch in the sport karate matches, but his full-contact matches were not that interesting (in my opinion) because A) The competitors I saw him matched with were karate or kung fu black belts who had converted to kickboxing without having any boxing or other "ring" arts experience...which made them essentially "stiffs" in the ring against Benny, who had many years of training and sparring experience in local L.A. boxing gyms with top amateurs, pros, and under the eye of wise old boxing trainers...a tremendous edge, and B) The sport karate matches allowed him to just go all out with his visually appealing combination of speed, athleticism, and point karate bag of tricks (kick and punch combinations done with great flair).
I was a fan of Muay Thai and western boxing many, many years before I saw Benny in the full contact ring, so what he was doing was not all that impressive in my eyes. I always wanted to see him get in the ring with a Thai boxer (of equal size) to see how he would cope with what the Thai would "bring to the table." However, I realized that the only way he could hope to beat a Thai in a elbows and knees, or knees, allowed match would be if Benny spent at least a year or so in a Muay Thai camp in Thailand under the watchful eye of a good Muay Thai Kru (teacher). That was not going to happen. And there was no way that Benny would be able to cut it in the professional boxing ranks because that too would have required some heavy duty specialization and standing at the rear of a long line of really tough fighters, many of whom could clock Benny rather handily in a western style boxing match. And I was told by a couple of boxing gym rats at a downtown L.A. boxing gym that Benny did not have a "good chin" by boxing standards.
The legendary Karate and Kickboxing star, Joe Lewis, was on top of the world in the sport karate ring and the early full contact karate ring, but, when he took on a journeyman boxer in Hawaii named Teddy Limoz, he got beat up quite handily by Teddy. There are a lot of tough guy boxers like Teddy Limoz. If you want to get to the top ten rankings in pro boxing you have to meet and defeat at least a few Teddy Limoz types. Lewis found out the hard way in a full contact match. Benny found out while training in the gyms with tough latino and american journeymen pro boxers without suffering the public ignominy that Lewis did in his match with Limoz.
This reminds me of how a handful of really good USKA Black Belts who had done well in local (Chicago), midwest, and national sport (light contact) competitions during the seventies threw their belts in the ring and summarily got their butts and belts handed to them by full contact fighters who had the good sense to spend a lot of time training in conventional boxing. They were good sport karate competitors, but when it came to really banging it out with gloves on, they were far behind those who actually "cross-trained." It also brought to mind the question as to how those black belts (who shall remain unnamed) would have done in an alley against a tough street thug.
Ah, but I digress. Benny Urquidez was indeed a very interesting to watch sport karate competitor. As a kickboxer he simply had too much size, firepower, stamina, and an ability to absorb punishment (from hastily converted sport karate competitors)to lose to most of the martial arts stiffs that he ran his record up with. He was smart enough not to actually get in the ring with a tough Thai fighter, or with a Teddy Limoz type, either of whom would have handed Benny's head to him on a platter.
I know there are those who drink a lot of Benny Urquidez "kool-aid" and worship him as if he were some sort of martial arts deity. Thats cool. To each his own. Still the truth is out there for any intellligent researcher to glean from videos and written reviews of Benny's career. Good fighter, great (if disputable) ring record, but despite his (or his publicists) claim that he would fight any martial artist, anywhere, anytime, he avoided Muay Thai boxers like the plague ( and the two times he did get in the ring against Thai fighters-read the link supplied in Sting #3-it was under no elbows, no clinches, no knees kickboxing rules, or the Thai had to wear an abundance of foot, shin, and overpadded gloves "safety???" equipment before Benny would enter the ring. And, I might add that there was always the claim that any match against a Thai would be considered an "exhibition" just in case Benny got his clock cleaned. In short, any Thai facing Benny would have to play against a stacked deck. Two Thais did, they still beat the odds, but to this day Benny denies the validity of the outcome of those matches. In fact, one might say that according to the Urquidez camp, and those with vested interests in the history and lore of American kickboxing and it's champions, Benny never actually fought Thais at all.
What else need be said! His legacy, at least in America is ironclad and bulletproof amongst his fans. Those of us who know better respect his legacy only up to a point, and that point is defined by his never having given it a go in a ring with a Thai champion under either full-Thai or modified-Thai rules. Ah, but the immortal Bruce Lee never chose to touch gloves with a Muay Thai fighter either...so Benny is in good company, eh?
*You might wonder how I think Benny would have fared in a match with a Thai fighter under full or modified Thai rules? I would say Benny would have suffered worse results than his cousin Blinky Rodriguez did when he fought the renowned Dutch Muay Thai and International Kickboxing Champion Rob Kaman...but you would have to multiply the damage that the Thai champion would put on Benny by at least twice the amount Kaman laid on Blinky. Just my opinion.
H.A. 09/18/06
I was a fan of Muay Thai and western boxing many, many years before I saw Benny in the full contact ring, so what he was doing was not all that impressive in my eyes. I always wanted to see him get in the ring with a Thai boxer (of equal size) to see how he would cope with what the Thai would "bring to the table." However, I realized that the only way he could hope to beat a Thai in a elbows and knees, or knees, allowed match would be if Benny spent at least a year or so in a Muay Thai camp in Thailand under the watchful eye of a good Muay Thai Kru (teacher). That was not going to happen. And there was no way that Benny would be able to cut it in the professional boxing ranks because that too would have required some heavy duty specialization and standing at the rear of a long line of really tough fighters, many of whom could clock Benny rather handily in a western style boxing match. And I was told by a couple of boxing gym rats at a downtown L.A. boxing gym that Benny did not have a "good chin" by boxing standards.
The legendary Karate and Kickboxing star, Joe Lewis, was on top of the world in the sport karate ring and the early full contact karate ring, but, when he took on a journeyman boxer in Hawaii named Teddy Limoz, he got beat up quite handily by Teddy. There are a lot of tough guy boxers like Teddy Limoz. If you want to get to the top ten rankings in pro boxing you have to meet and defeat at least a few Teddy Limoz types. Lewis found out the hard way in a full contact match. Benny found out while training in the gyms with tough latino and american journeymen pro boxers without suffering the public ignominy that Lewis did in his match with Limoz.
This reminds me of how a handful of really good USKA Black Belts who had done well in local (Chicago), midwest, and national sport (light contact) competitions during the seventies threw their belts in the ring and summarily got their butts and belts handed to them by full contact fighters who had the good sense to spend a lot of time training in conventional boxing. They were good sport karate competitors, but when it came to really banging it out with gloves on, they were far behind those who actually "cross-trained." It also brought to mind the question as to how those black belts (who shall remain unnamed) would have done in an alley against a tough street thug.
Ah, but I digress. Benny Urquidez was indeed a very interesting to watch sport karate competitor. As a kickboxer he simply had too much size, firepower, stamina, and an ability to absorb punishment (from hastily converted sport karate competitors)to lose to most of the martial arts stiffs that he ran his record up with. He was smart enough not to actually get in the ring with a tough Thai fighter, or with a Teddy Limoz type, either of whom would have handed Benny's head to him on a platter.
I know there are those who drink a lot of Benny Urquidez "kool-aid" and worship him as if he were some sort of martial arts deity. Thats cool. To each his own. Still the truth is out there for any intellligent researcher to glean from videos and written reviews of Benny's career. Good fighter, great (if disputable) ring record, but despite his (or his publicists) claim that he would fight any martial artist, anywhere, anytime, he avoided Muay Thai boxers like the plague ( and the two times he did get in the ring against Thai fighters-read the link supplied in Sting #3-it was under no elbows, no clinches, no knees kickboxing rules, or the Thai had to wear an abundance of foot, shin, and overpadded gloves "safety???" equipment before Benny would enter the ring. And, I might add that there was always the claim that any match against a Thai would be considered an "exhibition" just in case Benny got his clock cleaned. In short, any Thai facing Benny would have to play against a stacked deck. Two Thais did, they still beat the odds, but to this day Benny denies the validity of the outcome of those matches. In fact, one might say that according to the Urquidez camp, and those with vested interests in the history and lore of American kickboxing and it's champions, Benny never actually fought Thais at all.
What else need be said! His legacy, at least in America is ironclad and bulletproof amongst his fans. Those of us who know better respect his legacy only up to a point, and that point is defined by his never having given it a go in a ring with a Thai champion under either full-Thai or modified-Thai rules. Ah, but the immortal Bruce Lee never chose to touch gloves with a Muay Thai fighter either...so Benny is in good company, eh?
*You might wonder how I think Benny would have fared in a match with a Thai fighter under full or modified Thai rules? I would say Benny would have suffered worse results than his cousin Blinky Rodriguez did when he fought the renowned Dutch Muay Thai and International Kickboxing Champion Rob Kaman...but you would have to multiply the damage that the Thai champion would put on Benny by at least twice the amount Kaman laid on Blinky. Just my opinion.
H.A. 09/18/06
Sunday, September 17, 2006
Sting #3
In my last posting I included a video link to YOUTUBE.COM that had a wonderful training video of a Thai child going through part of his daily pad regimen with his teacher. I said that it was THE TRUTH about real world functional martial arts training...and it is!
Now I would like to refer you to a website titled "The Belt is In The Ring (Muay Thai Ring of Champions)" that will give you the TRUTH about Muay Thai and it's history with western martial arts. It is especially enlightening regarding the longtime controversial relationship between the famous American kickboxer Benny Urquidez and his "claimed" victories over Thai boxers. The author of the site, Pop Praditbatuga, has given us all a very well thought out and well written overview of Muay Thai history, rules, development, and how it has stood up against other ring martial arts.
You can view the site by visiting the following link:
"http://members.aol.com/Thaiboxing2000/muay.html"
Regarding my personal opinion on the Muay Thai and Benny Urquidez controversy, I think that Benny was too smart to get in the ring with a Thai boxer using full Thai rules (leg kicks and elbows), and that his listed "victories" over two Thai fighters is a crock of crap. Whenever he was asked about those "losses" to Thai fighters, Benny did a lot of world class verbal backpedaling. He called them exhibitions, or he claimed that the american public didn't want to see leg kicks and elbows, or some other jive talk. Lip service par excellance. Funny thing is that Benny always claimed that he was ready and willing to fight anyone, under any rules, anywhere in the world. Or maybe that was just what his publicists said? The truth of the matter is that Thai fighters were in a totally different league of ring warriors than the martial arts crossover stiffs that made up most of the people that Benny fought over the course of his career. He avoided Muay Thai fighters out of common sense. Read the article on the website listed above and judge for yourself. *I will comment a bit more on this subject in my next posting.
H.A. 09/17/06
Now I would like to refer you to a website titled "The Belt is In The Ring (Muay Thai Ring of Champions)" that will give you the TRUTH about Muay Thai and it's history with western martial arts. It is especially enlightening regarding the longtime controversial relationship between the famous American kickboxer Benny Urquidez and his "claimed" victories over Thai boxers. The author of the site, Pop Praditbatuga, has given us all a very well thought out and well written overview of Muay Thai history, rules, development, and how it has stood up against other ring martial arts.
You can view the site by visiting the following link:
"http://members.aol.com/Thaiboxing2000/muay.html"
Regarding my personal opinion on the Muay Thai and Benny Urquidez controversy, I think that Benny was too smart to get in the ring with a Thai boxer using full Thai rules (leg kicks and elbows), and that his listed "victories" over two Thai fighters is a crock of crap. Whenever he was asked about those "losses" to Thai fighters, Benny did a lot of world class verbal backpedaling. He called them exhibitions, or he claimed that the american public didn't want to see leg kicks and elbows, or some other jive talk. Lip service par excellance. Funny thing is that Benny always claimed that he was ready and willing to fight anyone, under any rules, anywhere in the world. Or maybe that was just what his publicists said? The truth of the matter is that Thai fighters were in a totally different league of ring warriors than the martial arts crossover stiffs that made up most of the people that Benny fought over the course of his career. He avoided Muay Thai fighters out of common sense. Read the article on the website listed above and judge for yourself. *I will comment a bit more on this subject in my next posting.
H.A. 09/17/06
Thursday, September 14, 2006
Sting #2-A video worth a MILLION dollars!
Check out the video that is at the bottom of this posting (just click on the image "forward button" in the middle of the screen) :
Words fail me when it comes to describing how good this Thai child is at displaying Muay Thai techniques in a training context. Not even breaking a sweat either. Compare this with the pathetic "martial arts" displays you see in commercial karate schools and kung fu kwoons in the USA and europe...hell, there is no comparison.
Yet you will note that the comments on the video (located beneath the video screen) are fixated on comparison's of the kids kicks with Tae Kwon do kicks, and other nonsense that lets you see just how narrowminded and blind to the obvious are western martial artists. The yahoos commenting wouldn't know real fight technique from ballet dancing. You can't educate morons like that because they are too busy making comparisons and pontificating to actually train, and spar, and fight, and do all the things it takes to develop serious fighting expertise.
Everything that kid displayed was beautiful, efficient, and effective. No jumping/spinning back kicks, no stiff karate punches at an imaginary adversary, no yelling/screaming/kiais, no bull! I can't tell you how much I love this video...yet there are thousands of little kids in boxing camps across Thailand who have similar skills, knowledge, and potential to the one you see pictured. The kid is not the exception to the rule...he is the norm. And to think that all those martial arts "afficianados" and would be "experts" can say about this display is what amounts to a crock full of crap. I seriously suggest that you don't even bother to read the viewer comments on YOUTUBE.COM. It is a waste of your time. The intelligent and incisive comments are buried under by the idiotic comments. This is definately one of the best martial arts clips I have seen over the past 50 years! It both impresses and inspires me.
H.A. 09/14/06 >
Wednesday, September 13, 2006
The First Sting!
I have plans on using this blogsite as a place where I can post non-pc, irreverent, off the wall, yet thoroughly truthful commentaries on some of my experiences in the wacky worlds of martial arts and physical culture (bodybuilding, athletic conditioning, and exercise in general) over the past forty+ years. This site will serve as an adjunct to several websites that I have on the internet already.
I am going to say exactly what I feel about the martial arts world and the physical conditioning world in a straight forward manner that anyone can use to glean certain bits of knowledge that will help them to avoid certain "elements," and to progress faster in whatever they do in the way of martial arts, self-defense, physical conditioning, and general resistance exercise training.
I fully expect to receive lots of negative comments from closed minded individuals who believe that they have "all the answers" already, so they will spend time ripping everything I write without simply reading what I have to say, mulling it over for a bit, and then either accepting certain aspects of it for possible future personal experimentation, or rejecting my words as something that "your" experiences simply disagree with.
Sometimes I will make short posts, sometimes I will post longer ruminations. I hope that most of my postings, short or long, will give each and every one of you something to chew on in your mind if not in the gym while actively training.
Please note beforehand that while I appreciate classical and traditional martial arts to a great degree, I have always been more of an "old-school, non-classical, non-traditional" sort of martial artist and/or bodybuilder. All that really means is that I have taken the classical and/or traditional things that I have been taught, mastered them, and then took them to another level of functionality for my personal needs. Show me a tree, and then let me take in the rest of the scenario in a way that fits my personality and my physical gifts. Don't tell me how to look at the entire scenario, or how to "label" everything surrounding the tree-let me do that myself.
Case in point; I began my physical culture career in the late fifties at the age of twelve trying to emulate my childhood sports heroes, Sugar Ray Robinson and Joe Louis. I wanted to become a boxing champion someday just like my heroes. That youthful goal has colored my martial arts interest ever sense. I have little interest in learning a "thousand ways" to defeat an opponent. No, what I want to learn is a few efficient and functional techniques that I can add to "who I am and what I am" at the moment, and then I will "naturally" improvise upon those few things as I absorb and master them. The question of how to "master" a specific style or system has seldom ever crossed my mind. That is not to say that I reject out of hand spending several years involvement in a particular style or system of training. No, I have tended to stay involved in a particular art for as long as I maintain an interest in exploring it's possibilities.
At this point in my life I am still intrigued after all these years of training by western style boxing, Muay Thai, FMA, Non-Classical Gung Fu, and Krabi-Krabong.What I have learned from those methods of physical expression has given me all I personally need to tap into anything that comes along and captures my fancy. However, you are not going to find me going ga-ga over Capoiera, Exotic Esoteric "Internal" Chinese martial arts, or things that require a tremendous "leap of faith" to accept.
For example, I do not have enough time in my life to spend studying "soft-style" Wing Chun sticking hands, or trying to learn all the thousands of hand and arm technique possibilities that such training can reveal. The non-classical sticking hands method that I learned from Jesse Glover a long time ago serves my needs well. Hey, all sticking hands is supposed to do is give one "responses" to having been "intercepted" on the way in (in a self-defense situation). A thousand or more response possibilities are unnecessary. However, if one decides to commit himself or herself to the Wing Chun self defense system and no other, having to learn 1000+ variations of each technique would be part and parcel of the package I suppose. Hey, whatever floats your boat.
I am going to say exactly what I feel about the martial arts world and the physical conditioning world in a straight forward manner that anyone can use to glean certain bits of knowledge that will help them to avoid certain "elements," and to progress faster in whatever they do in the way of martial arts, self-defense, physical conditioning, and general resistance exercise training.
I fully expect to receive lots of negative comments from closed minded individuals who believe that they have "all the answers" already, so they will spend time ripping everything I write without simply reading what I have to say, mulling it over for a bit, and then either accepting certain aspects of it for possible future personal experimentation, or rejecting my words as something that "your" experiences simply disagree with.
Sometimes I will make short posts, sometimes I will post longer ruminations. I hope that most of my postings, short or long, will give each and every one of you something to chew on in your mind if not in the gym while actively training.
Please note beforehand that while I appreciate classical and traditional martial arts to a great degree, I have always been more of an "old-school, non-classical, non-traditional" sort of martial artist and/or bodybuilder. All that really means is that I have taken the classical and/or traditional things that I have been taught, mastered them, and then took them to another level of functionality for my personal needs. Show me a tree, and then let me take in the rest of the scenario in a way that fits my personality and my physical gifts. Don't tell me how to look at the entire scenario, or how to "label" everything surrounding the tree-let me do that myself.
Case in point; I began my physical culture career in the late fifties at the age of twelve trying to emulate my childhood sports heroes, Sugar Ray Robinson and Joe Louis. I wanted to become a boxing champion someday just like my heroes. That youthful goal has colored my martial arts interest ever sense. I have little interest in learning a "thousand ways" to defeat an opponent. No, what I want to learn is a few efficient and functional techniques that I can add to "who I am and what I am" at the moment, and then I will "naturally" improvise upon those few things as I absorb and master them. The question of how to "master" a specific style or system has seldom ever crossed my mind. That is not to say that I reject out of hand spending several years involvement in a particular style or system of training. No, I have tended to stay involved in a particular art for as long as I maintain an interest in exploring it's possibilities.
At this point in my life I am still intrigued after all these years of training by western style boxing, Muay Thai, FMA, Non-Classical Gung Fu, and Krabi-Krabong.What I have learned from those methods of physical expression has given me all I personally need to tap into anything that comes along and captures my fancy. However, you are not going to find me going ga-ga over Capoiera, Exotic Esoteric "Internal" Chinese martial arts, or things that require a tremendous "leap of faith" to accept.
For example, I do not have enough time in my life to spend studying "soft-style" Wing Chun sticking hands, or trying to learn all the thousands of hand and arm technique possibilities that such training can reveal. The non-classical sticking hands method that I learned from Jesse Glover a long time ago serves my needs well. Hey, all sticking hands is supposed to do is give one "responses" to having been "intercepted" on the way in (in a self-defense situation). A thousand or more response possibilities are unnecessary. However, if one decides to commit himself or herself to the Wing Chun self defense system and no other, having to learn 1000+ variations of each technique would be part and parcel of the package I suppose. Hey, whatever floats your boat.
I realize that my initial fascination with Wing Chun sticking hands many years ago was because Bruce Lee said that Wing Chun was a "great style" that he had studied in Hong Kong. If it was "great" in the eyes of Bruce Lee, it was interesting to me. It was not until the mid-seventies that I began to see that Wing Chun was NOT the reason for Bruce Lee's martial arts skills. Wing Chun was not what impressed me so much while viewing Lee as the Kato character in the "Green Hornet television series. In fact, Bruce Lee never even learned most of the Wing Chun system himself (for a variety of reasons). I was lucky enough to figure out early on that Wing Chun, while a potentially quite effective self-defense system, was, in my opinion, not in a league with the boxing and Muay Thai skills that I had acquired during my "evolutionary years." I was thus saved many years of wasted time. No Wing Chun "master" I have come across has intrigued me as much as Sugar Ray Robinson, Joe Louis, of the topo Muay Thai boxers in Thailand. This is not a putdown of Wing Chun, but rather a recognizance of "my" interests and goals.
I learned what I needed to learn about Bruce Lee's approach to martial arts from Bruce's first American student, Jesse Glover, and from Richard Bustillo. Those two men pointed me toward the essence of Bruce Lee's approach to martial arts training. That was all I needed to get what I wanted out of the Bruce Lee legacy.
Hey, I have to go and get some sleep right now...I will continue this flow of thought in my next "Black Scorpion Sting" posting. I suggest that those of you who would like to expand your mind regarding what I have written about in this "First Sting," should visit http://youtube.com and view the Wing Chun videos they have. Then view the Sugar Ray Robinson and Joe Louis videos that they also show. Then check out a few of the Muay Thai videos ( do check out the exciting new fighting star from Thailand, BUAKAW POR PRAMUK ). Then decide for yourself what is worthwhile for your personal needs, and what isn't.
Hey, I have to go and get some sleep right now...I will continue this flow of thought in my next "Black Scorpion Sting" posting. I suggest that those of you who would like to expand your mind regarding what I have written about in this "First Sting," should visit http://youtube.com and view the Wing Chun videos they have. Then view the Sugar Ray Robinson and Joe Louis videos that they also show. Then check out a few of the Muay Thai videos ( do check out the exciting new fighting star from Thailand, BUAKAW POR PRAMUK ). Then decide for yourself what is worthwhile for your personal needs, and what isn't.
Until the next posting...Tranquility to All!
H.A. / 09/13/06
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